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This website went online on November 22, 2007 and is being continually developed.
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Introduction:
This new website is a different approach to the scientist of the mind, J. Krishnamurti (1895-1986) (Wikipedia biography). The approach is from a holistic and integrated standpoint, as far as that is possible - it is not just taking a fragment here and there, a well-worn catchphrase or two. It is an exploration into the totality of the work - the books, dialogues, articles, and the public talks covering in all around 38 years, from 1948-1986 (hereinafter referred to universally as ‘the talks’).
It is held there is a call for such an endeavour as there appears to be much confusion surrounding the true nature of what has been ‘pointed out.’ It is now clear that no-one has been transformed; it is equally clear very few have actually understood the totality of the talks, in all their nuances and subtle implications. The interconnected discussions herein are born from years of reading and reflection. Every attempt has been made to read across the board to understand the breadth of what has been pointed out.
Of necessity, there are a great number of excerpts and quotations from the published works. This does not mean that the man and/or his words are set up as an authority, or one whose utterances should be accepted without question. Everything stated in the talks and in this site needs to be inquired into. The talks are ultimately a mirror into the crucial issues of the mind to be looked at, observed and explored by each one of us. If one sees the truth of a statement by observing the processes of the mind then this is sufficient; one does not need then to bestow authority on any book or single person.
One subject that is not covered in this site and will not be discussed is the man and his life, along with all that such an examination entails. This ‘personality cult’ (for that is what it is) is as old as history itself, with all its notable and iconic examples of Jesus Christ and the Buddha (Wikipedia articles) et al, which in the end is a clever escape from the import of the words spoken by these ‘gurus’, or so-called ‘great men’. What is said is vital, all the rest is merely distraction. Hence, the writer is definitely not in any way a so-called 'follower' of this man. Nor is this site in any respect an interpretation of the talks; it is a discussion site of what the writer has seen in himself from the pointing out.
This inquiry addresses two overarching questions:
What are the talks actually saying?
Can we understand human consciousness in its totality?
The underlying premise is clear: the talks must first be grasped verbally before any further investigation can take place. You cannot have an insight into something you don’t intellectually comprehend. Hence these discussions are founded on logic and reason, the forces of the intellect, but there is an awareness of their acute limitations, and those of words in general, in dealing with all these issues. These understandings are shared openly and every effort has been made to avoid interpretations of any kind by encompassing the talks as a whole. It is an investigation of what the talks are pointing to; no extracts have been included on this site that have not been (at least verbally) understood by the writer. Everything here can be freely challenged and discussed by anyone.
This discussion is open, nothing is set in stone and this site is not attempting to convince you of anything. Hopefully it will illuminate or clarify many of these perennial issues, which is the actual intent of the site, not simply to outline quotations without attempts at understanding.
The talks are a direct challenge to all of human civilization. To nationalism and all the other artificial divisions and organizations that divide man from man. As such, they go far beyond the central tenets of modern organized religions such as Christianity, Islam and Buddhism, as well as the belief systems of the so-called "New Age," the banalities of contemporary spiritual teachers, and all spiritual institutions. All organizations make followers of their members and instil conformity. Whereas these talks are concerned with the development of the full human being as a true individual, completely uninfluenced by the past, by society, by words, by knowledge, and by all authority.
The underlying thrust of the talks is about Truth, which is beyond the mind as we know it. It addresses the actual meaning - the word used is significance - of human life. Peace of mind. Finally, true peace and real equality on Earth - the long sought-after brotherhood of Man.
That's what the talks are really all about. Only when there is full understanding of ourselves. Know thyself, and finally end the division
that exists between the self, as the observer, and the observed, which is what one actually is. That is the central statement.
To live a life of passive awareness and self-understanding - hence change - is thus the sole premise behind this website.
This new website is a different approach to the scientist of the mind, J. Krishnamurti (1895-1986) (Wikipedia biography). The approach is from a holistic and integrated standpoint, as far as that is possible - it is not just taking a fragment here and there, a well-worn catchphrase or two. It is an exploration into the totality of the work - the books, dialogues, articles, and the public talks covering in all around 38 years, from 1948-1986 (hereinafter referred to universally as ‘the talks’).
It is held there is a call for such an endeavour as there appears to be much confusion surrounding the true nature of what has been ‘pointed out.’ It is now clear that no-one has been transformed; it is equally clear very few have actually understood the totality of the talks, in all their nuances and subtle implications. The interconnected discussions herein are born from years of reading and reflection. Every attempt has been made to read across the board to understand the breadth of what has been pointed out.
Of necessity, there are a great number of excerpts and quotations from the published works. This does not mean that the man and/or his words are set up as an authority, or one whose utterances should be accepted without question. Everything stated in the talks and in this site needs to be inquired into. The talks are ultimately a mirror into the crucial issues of the mind to be looked at, observed and explored by each one of us. If one sees the truth of a statement by observing the processes of the mind then this is sufficient; one does not need then to bestow authority on any book or single person.
One subject that is not covered in this site and will not be discussed is the man and his life, along with all that such an examination entails. This ‘personality cult’ (for that is what it is) is as old as history itself, with all its notable and iconic examples of Jesus Christ and the Buddha (Wikipedia articles) et al, which in the end is a clever escape from the import of the words spoken by these ‘gurus’, or so-called ‘great men’. What is said is vital, all the rest is merely distraction. Hence, the writer is definitely not in any way a so-called 'follower' of this man. Nor is this site in any respect an interpretation of the talks; it is a discussion site of what the writer has seen in himself from the pointing out.
This inquiry addresses two overarching questions:
What are the talks actually saying?
Can we understand human consciousness in its totality?
The underlying premise is clear: the talks must first be grasped verbally before any further investigation can take place. You cannot have an insight into something you don’t intellectually comprehend. Hence these discussions are founded on logic and reason, the forces of the intellect, but there is an awareness of their acute limitations, and those of words in general, in dealing with all these issues. These understandings are shared openly and every effort has been made to avoid interpretations of any kind by encompassing the talks as a whole. It is an investigation of what the talks are pointing to; no extracts have been included on this site that have not been (at least verbally) understood by the writer. Everything here can be freely challenged and discussed by anyone.
This discussion is open, nothing is set in stone and this site is not attempting to convince you of anything. Hopefully it will illuminate or clarify many of these perennial issues, which is the actual intent of the site, not simply to outline quotations without attempts at understanding.
The talks are a direct challenge to all of human civilization. To nationalism and all the other artificial divisions and organizations that divide man from man. As such, they go far beyond the central tenets of modern organized religions such as Christianity, Islam and Buddhism, as well as the belief systems of the so-called "New Age," the banalities of contemporary spiritual teachers, and all spiritual institutions. All organizations make followers of their members and instil conformity. Whereas these talks are concerned with the development of the full human being as a true individual, completely uninfluenced by the past, by society, by words, by knowledge, and by all authority.
The underlying thrust of the talks is about Truth, which is beyond the mind as we know it. It addresses the actual meaning - the word used is significance - of human life. Peace of mind. Finally, true peace and real equality on Earth - the long sought-after brotherhood of Man.
That's what the talks are really all about. Only when there is full understanding of ourselves. Know thyself, and finally end the division
that exists between the self, as the observer, and the observed, which is what one actually is. That is the central statement.
To live a life of passive awareness and self-understanding - hence change - is thus the sole premise behind this website.
There is something.
Much too vast to put into words.
There is a tremendous reservoir, as it were,
which if the human mind can touch it, reveals something which no intellectual mythology
- invention, supposition, dogma - can ever reveal.
I am not making a mystery of it ... Either one creates a mystery when there isn't one
or there is a mystery which you have to approach with extraordinary delicacy and hesitancy,
and, you know, tentativeness.
And the conscious mind can't do this. It is there but you cannot come to it,
you cannot invite it. It’s not progressive achievement.
There is something but the brain can't understand it.
(Mary Lutyens, Volume 2, Krishnamurti: The Years of Fulfilment, page 224)
(Ellipsis added; emphasis in the original)
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It's about a new mind, a silent mind; a state of mind that is fresh and alive and complete in itself
- so it can fully meet the ever-new challenge of the present ... which is everything there is.
- so it can fully meet the ever-new challenge of the present ... which is everything there is.
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We live on ideas; all our beliefs and conclusions are just images that we have accepted in the past. All we do is modify some ideas as we go along - we never challenge the whole structure of ideas per se. So, we generally only listen to that which affirms our ideas.
And it is these ideas that form the very core of all our ingrained biases, do they not? After all, the self itself is merely just an idea.
And it is these ideas that form the very core of all our ingrained biases, do they not? After all, the self itself is merely just an idea.
“In relationship, the primary source of friction is oneself, the self that is the center of unified craving. If we can but realize that it is not how another acts that is of primary importance, but how each one of us acts and reacts, that if that reaction and action can be fundamentally, deeply understood, then relationship will undergo a deep and radical change. ..."
(On Relationship: pp. 2-3, © KFT & KFA)
(On Relationship: pp. 2-3, © KFT & KFA)
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