The Basis Behind this Website:
The cornerstone of this entire site is the writer's discoveries from looking into the 'mirror' that is the talks. Time and again the pointers in the talks allude to the actual nature of the contents of consciousness (ie., thought, desire, time, and the self) - the actual workings of the mind on a daily basis. When pondered and reflected upon, these pointers have been shown to be true, and it is on this foundation alone that the site has been constructed, in order to share this understanding with others. The key is to choicelessly observe one's mind - and the pointers, once read and understood, can then be put aside. Both the man and the pointers themselves are not the central issue, it is the seeing of them.
The question has often been asked: Are the talks 'practical' or are they so-called 'unproductive'. If you want something out of them, anything at all, if you are seeking a result, you will regard them as both impractical and unproductive. The seeking, the wanting, is the self in operation. The facts in the pointers have to be seen in the mind, not intellectualized (which is reducing them to clever abstractions, thus escaping from them). It is this direct "seeing" that is the issue, and this is a state of mind brought about by questioning. The issue is really whether we have ever had a full insight into the whole movement of thought, into the whole operation of desire.
On Studying the Talks: "Vasanta Vihar [a Study Centre in Chennai, India, though meant here generically to cover all the study centres] should draw people who have a good brain, a good intellect. They should study the "teaching" thoroughly, soak in it deeply as you would do if you were to study medicine or Buddhism or any other subject. Studying means to go deeply into the subtleties of the words used and their contents and seeing the truths in them in relation to daily life. They should be able to discuss the teaching with specialists in any branch of knowledge, as scholars do. While they are studying, these people should have a spirit of cooperation.
A spirit of cooperation does not mean working together for some purpose, but it means that one is able to share one's discoveries and findings with one another. For instance, I share with you as a friend what I have discovered. You may doubt it, question it, but I am sharing with you the discovery. It is not my discovery; it does not belong to me or anybody. Perception is never personal."
(Sunanda Patwardhan Memoir: A Vision of the Sacred: My Personal Journey with Krishnamurti, 1999, page 63)
The minute you hold your discoveries into the workings of the mind unto yourself, your self is in operation and so you have actually understood nothing.
The cornerstone of this entire site is the writer's discoveries from looking into the 'mirror' that is the talks. Time and again the pointers in the talks allude to the actual nature of the contents of consciousness (ie., thought, desire, time, and the self) - the actual workings of the mind on a daily basis. When pondered and reflected upon, these pointers have been shown to be true, and it is on this foundation alone that the site has been constructed, in order to share this understanding with others. The key is to choicelessly observe one's mind - and the pointers, once read and understood, can then be put aside. Both the man and the pointers themselves are not the central issue, it is the seeing of them.
The question has often been asked: Are the talks 'practical' or are they so-called 'unproductive'. If you want something out of them, anything at all, if you are seeking a result, you will regard them as both impractical and unproductive. The seeking, the wanting, is the self in operation. The facts in the pointers have to be seen in the mind, not intellectualized (which is reducing them to clever abstractions, thus escaping from them). It is this direct "seeing" that is the issue, and this is a state of mind brought about by questioning. The issue is really whether we have ever had a full insight into the whole movement of thought, into the whole operation of desire.
On Studying the Talks: "Vasanta Vihar [a Study Centre in Chennai, India, though meant here generically to cover all the study centres] should draw people who have a good brain, a good intellect. They should study the "teaching" thoroughly, soak in it deeply as you would do if you were to study medicine or Buddhism or any other subject. Studying means to go deeply into the subtleties of the words used and their contents and seeing the truths in them in relation to daily life. They should be able to discuss the teaching with specialists in any branch of knowledge, as scholars do. While they are studying, these people should have a spirit of cooperation.
A spirit of cooperation does not mean working together for some purpose, but it means that one is able to share one's discoveries and findings with one another. For instance, I share with you as a friend what I have discovered. You may doubt it, question it, but I am sharing with you the discovery. It is not my discovery; it does not belong to me or anybody. Perception is never personal."
(Sunanda Patwardhan Memoir: A Vision of the Sacred: My Personal Journey with Krishnamurti, 1999, page 63)
The minute you hold your discoveries into the workings of the mind unto yourself, your self is in operation and so you have actually understood nothing.
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If you have seen value in it please consider making a financial contribution, so that the website can continue to be made available free and without advertising to everyone.
Or, if you feel you would like to support its ongoing investigation into the talks, then please consider a donation. Contributions received will go towards both promotion of this site and the further dissemination of Krishnamurti's work to the public in general, which is a secondary intention behind this site's creation. Such dissemination will be conducted through the auspices of the various international Foundations. Note however that the writer is an outsider, who is not affiliated in any way with these Foundations or any of the Trustees who administer them.
To donate securely using credit or debit cards via PayPal, please use the button provided below.
If you have any enquiries regarding this matter or any other matters, please contact the writer/webmaster, Daniel Marks, who resides in Melbourne, Australia, via the following postal address: PO Box 218, Warburton, Victoria, Australia, 3799, or via the following email:
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"What we think, we are; but it is the understanding of the process of thought that is important."
(Commentaries on Living: Series I)
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